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anthonykim021272

HI, I stumbled upon your video somehow and I would like to ask you some questions, 

When you ask you decided to receive Jesus as your Lord and Savior, at an early age, was it just verbally or did you have the dramatic experience of the Holy Spirit when you realize that you are a true sinner and sincerely repent and ask God for forgiveness? 

you said that you havent really read the bible until you had to debate your belif with some random guy you met online, how can this be true if you were really a born-again christain? 

when you are truly borned again, dont you have an automatic hunger for the word of God and read and pray everyday? 

also when you say you prayed everyday and every moment, was it just a prayer about certain things becuase most part of a prayer is about repentence and cleansing yourself to be right with God. 

have you ever thought maybe, just maybe, you were able to de-convert because as you described, your personal walk with god was indeed a delusion or an illusion because it really was on your part because you were not really saved to begin with? 

maybe you thought you really experienced the holy spirit and you didnt and you created an illusion that you really had a realtionship with god when you really didnt, it is possible for someone to think that they are saved even though they are not. 

holy spirit doesnt just come inside you just because you ask for it, it is a gift from god. 

will having a supernatural encounter with God reconvert you into becoming a christian again? 

and just a minor thought while i was watching your video, have you ever really met the professor you were debating with online in person? 

how sure are you about his claims of being who is really is-a person of high educational background, not that it really matters… 

I apologize if I sounded rude, but i really want to understand and know the details of your realtionship with God if it really was sincere.

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Evid3nc3

“When you ask you decided to receive Jesus as your Lord and Savior, at an early age, was it just verbally or did you have the dramatic experience of the Holy Spirit..”

It was a dramatic experience, yes.

”..when you realize that you are a true sinner and sincerely repent and ask God for forgiveness?”

Of course. That’s the essence of the sinner’s prayer: they make you feel guilty about the smallest, most innocent offenses (which are the only kind most 6 year old children could even be guilty of). In my case I had stolen a toy once.

“you said that you havent really read the bible until you had to debate your belif with some random guy you met online”

Nope. I never said that. That is entirely mistaken. I explicitly said that I tried to read the Bible cover-to-cover one year before meeting the Professor. I also made it very clear that I had read the Bible regularly for years before this, just never COVER-TO-COVER (which is quite different from never reading the Bible AT ALL, which is what you are accusing me of):

2.4 Deconversion: The Bible (Part 1)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70SYwkoH_yc

“when you are truly borned again, dont you have an automatic hunger for the word of God and read and pray everyday?”

I did pray and had a desire to read the Bible every day (most likely induced by the promise that this book had all the answers I would ever need). And most days I did, especially in college. I just hadn’t read the Bible from cover to cover. I focused mostly on the epistles before taking up the task of reading the Bible cover to cover.

“becuase most part of a prayer is about repentence and cleansing yourself to be right with God.”

I repented regularly and constantly insisted that God show me his will for my life, multiple times a day, ESPECIALLY when debating the Professor. If that is not “cleansing yourself to be right with God”, I don’t know what is.

“have you ever thought maybe, just maybe, you were able to de-convert because as you described, your personal walk with god was indeed a delusion or an illusion because it really was on your part because you were not really saved to begin with?”

No. That is ridiculous. I have never seen any evidence that anyone on this planet could be more sincerely “saved” than I was. I see the desire of people like yourself to assert that, somehow, despite all outward and inward evidence that I believed and behaved exactly as they do, that I was somehow different than them, and that they are somehow “saved” in a way that I wasn’t, as wishful thinking.

“maybe you thought you really experienced the holy spirit and you didnt and you created an illusion that you really had a realtionship with god when you really didnt, it is possible for someone to think that they are saved even though they are not.”

Only if that is what all Christians are doing. The evidence of my life and my (EXTENSIVE, lifelong, and continued) interactions with other Christians allows me to see no other possibility as more justified than this: that is what ALL Christians are doing.

“holy spirit doesnt just come inside you just because you ask for it, it is a gift from god.”

You are presupposing that God exists in this statement. Your presupposition is unjustified.

“will having a supernatural encounter with God reconvert you into becoming a christian again?”

I still have all the same feelings I had as a Christian. Every single feeling that I formerly labeled as “spiritual”, I still have. Therefore, in order for me to reconvert, I would need more than just feelings. I would need evidence whose *only* satisfying explanation is that a God exists.

“and just a minor thought while i was watching your video, have you ever really met the professor you were debating with online in person?”

I’ve never met him in person, no.

“how sure are you about his claims of being who is really is-a person of high educational background, not that it really matters…”

I don’t base my beliefs on the authority of any person and neither should you. This is called an Appeal to Authority, and it is a logical fallacy. As I show quite clearly in the series, I didn’t just “take the Professor’s word” for it. I went out and found his books and read them. I didn’t need to take his word because the evidence spoke for itself.

“I apologize if I sounded rude, but i really want to understand and know the details of your realtionship with God if it really was sincere.”

I understand. My experience was sincere and I have every reason to believe it was as sincere as any other Christian’s.